Tips and tricks: How fast should you respond?

In response to Scott’s post, here is what works for me.

1. I don’t respond during “I have a life” hours. This means no match will get an answer during Friday or Saturday nights, during hours of work, and between 12 midnight to 8am of any day. I have a life, dear woman, I’m not a computer junkie and I don’t do eHarmony during company time.

2. For phase 1 (close-ended) and 2 (must have/can’t stands), I’m committed to six-hour response times, twelve hours max. For these two phases, if my Gmail Notifier tells me she responded, I stop surfing for porn (“The Internet is for Porn”) and I respond immediately (unless see #1).

You never know if this fantastic lady is expiring tomorrow.

The intention is to bring the woman to free-form communication as fast as possible, in case she is expiring very, very soon. In the free-form area, SHE can tell you she’s expiring and hand you her number. You can’t tell.

In addition, if Free Communication Weekend is ongoing, I respond without delays — even within two minutes.

3. Then she sends me her Phase 3 (open-ended) questions. If the questions are standard, I wait 12 hours. If they are custom-made, I wait 36 hours. If she gives compliments within these questions, I add 12 to 24 hours more.

4. Then it’s my turn to send my first message in Open Communication (OC). I wait 2 days before sending it. I’m a busy guy. Also, I love the powerlessness in “Waiting for him to start open communication”. The two-day delay also preps her for the next section, #5.

5. Then we’re exchanging messages in OC. The rules I set here are lovely. Before responding, I wait the exact number of days as the number of messages in OC. For example, if there have been two exchanges (me, her, me, her) I wait FOUR DAYS before replying. In the OC stage, expiration is not a problem — either of us can leave our contact info, at the last minute or as a nudge. The subtle message: I have no time for prolonged email exchanges, if she wants to get to know me, we gotta go to the phone.

This works for me. How about you guys?

Responses

I received some reactions from some guys about the above “rigid” schedule. One of them said,

“In my case, dragging things out just seems to create an ‘internet pen pal’ scenario.”

In my case, dragging things out works on the women I’m looking for. I do ask the phone number on OC message #2. If she flakes or is so messed up that she continuously ignores the “I’d like to talk on the phone” hint, then my message-count system causes me to take longer and longer to reply.

Nonetheless I shall say I have a higher tolerance for flaky. Kindness is my virtue.

The intention of my elaborate system of time-delays is to moderate myself from getting too nuts or anxious or eager about individual matches. No more “What, she loves Barenaked Ladies, too?! Oooh I just have to answer her email right now. Wow, eHarmony does work!”

Finally I find that more women drop their shields with men who, in their perception, went through 7 days to go through 7 steps, than men who went through 7 minutes or 7 hours. Same effort, but better results.

The delaying tactic has risks, too.

The two risks exacerbated by this tactic are: (1) the woman expires her membership before being able to share her contact info, and (2) being closed out with “I’m pursuing another relationship.” But to a guy with more than enough “communication” than he can handle, who cares, right?

Guys, keep in mind that women, especially middle-age and older women, anywhere, greatly outnumber men in eHarmony. Everybody’s experience shows that men HAVE more matches than women.

When you want it too much

When I think about dating disasters that happen “when you want it too much,” I’ve come to thank these response-time rules of mine. Sure they are crazy and feel unnatural (Wait an extra day if she says she found my Phase 3 questions “refreshing”? — that’s ridiculous!), but they are there to keep me away from trouble, from false hopes and from timing boo-boos.

It’s also how I prioritize my eHarmony task list.

I’m not saying this to show that I’m an expert at any of this. I’m just saying.

(Ed’s note: How about you? Do you intentionally delay responding, just like Pyke?)

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Comments 12

  1. Scott Grey wrote:

    It’s something I haven’t talked that much about… but, yes, time delays CAN be a very effective tactic.

    It’s the difference between, “He likes me. Cool.”, and, “OMG! Why hasn’t he answered? Is he talking to other women? Maybe I need to say something else?”

    Done right, you’re forcing her to invest further.

    And, yes, done wrong, and you’re in “sour grapes” land. But these tactics make a LOT of sense to me.

    The only reason I don’t go this far? I just don’t get flakeage when it comes to getting a phone number.

    Posted 20 Nov 2007 at 9:45 am
  2. Anonymous wrote:

    uh… yeah.

    your tactic may work, but it can also backfire. when there’s a long communicating list, and all the other men are writing back promptly, the delayers get the ax.

    no pic, no game. wait too long, no game.

    Posted 14 Mar 2009 at 4:58 pm
  3. Geta Life wrote:

    Just came across your blog, and think you are an absolute idiot. Playing games like this with women only is going to turn them off. Clearly, there is a reason why you are still single.

    Posted 16 May 2009 at 2:14 pm
  4. Bernice wrote:

    In response to Scott’s post, item #1:

    While I appreciate not doing personal things on company time, please keep in mind that not everyone has a Monday-Friday 9-5 profession. I work in healthcare and my work schedule anything but Monday-Friday, 9-5.

    Bernice

    Posted 04 Jan 2010 at 12:04 pm
  5. Jem wrote:

    Thanks for the OC tip. If I wanted a pen pal, I can get that for free in Facebook. Not responding right away is perfect. There’s really no need to spend much more than a week in OC in my opinion, unless you are incarcerated or otherwise detained from placing a phone call.

    Posted 21 Feb 2010 at 11:39 am
  6. Idiot Closer wrote:

    You are an idiot and would be closed very quickly. I happen to work night shift in health care. Your rigid schedule would bore me to tears. I wonder what you would be like to be married to? Same rigid nonsense?

    Idiot Closer

    Posted 28 Feb 2010 at 2:11 pm
  7. Lisa wrote:

    I couldn’t agree more with “Idiot Closer”. I would have closed you out pretty quickly, and I had a few that seemed to be playing games like you and I did close them out. I received communication from a match early on a Friday morning, and by dinner time we were through all the questions and talking on the phone. We have now been dating almost three months. I liked him because he wasn’t playing games or going by some stupid “rule”.

    Posted 04 Mar 2010 at 12:41 pm
  8. ShouldI? wrote:

    I am thinking of signing up with eharmony and with 6 months paid membership, I get 6 months free. I am confused now after reading all these posts here.

    Suggestions please..

    Thanks

    Posted 01 Jul 2010 at 10:15 am
  9. Ralph wrote:

    Hey ShouldI:

    Please tell me that you are paying for 6 months of full price service on EH (which is about $173.70 according to the subscription page), you would get 6 additional months for free, guess what, if Joe Blow calls EH customer service, you can get 12 months for the same price ($173.70), and I know about this personally because in 12/07 and 12/08, I renewed EH for a one year subscription at that price.

    There is a post here on eharmonyblog about never paying for an one year subscription in advance, let’s say you join EH and if you meet that special someone within a month or two, you pretty much wasted at least $100, yes I thought about that when I renewed for a year to save money, but my advice to you is to subscribe 3 months at a time AND use the promo codes here on eharmonyblog to get possibly lower rates. Right now I know there are promo codes for definitely returning customers (folks that let their membership expire) and maybe new customers (folks that never had a subscription on EH) for $29.95 for 3 months, your credit card is charged $9.95/month for three months, as you get close to your membership expire try the codes here on eharmonyblog to see if you can use the same code or a different code for a lower rate, you might have to wait until the day after your subscription expires (since you would be a returning customer) to see if a code could work for you.

    Regardless the most you should pay with EH even if you call customer service is $59.95 for 3 months, that way if you meet that special person you won’t be out of a lot of money compared to doing a 12 month subscription.

    I hope this helps you; if you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

    Take care,
    Ralph

    Posted 01 Jul 2010 at 2:23 pm
  10. Julie wrote:

    I want to know why you need a phone number so fast. Guys are constanly asking for my phone number as soon as we hit OC and I saw no way until we talk for awhile by email. I am not a person who likes to talk on the phone a lot cause I’m really busy and a phone conversation takes up time (especailly since I ahve to stand outside to talk on my cell). My phone number doesn’t get passed on until I am sure I might want to go on a date with them.

    Posted 03 Dec 2010 at 12:41 pm
  11. pam 22 wrote:

    Get a Google Voice number and give that to your eHarmony dates…if they turn into a psycho or a stalker, you can block them with relative ease.

    https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=grandcentral&passive=1209600&continue=https://www.google.com/voice&followup=https://www.google.com/voice&ltmpl=open

    Posted 29 Dec 2011 at 4:09 pm
  12. SingleGuyInNC wrote:

    Julie,

    Very simple. Because probably 99% of the women on online dating sites are TOTAL FLAKES. After years of doing this, if a male suggests within a message or two to go out and you do not respond positively to the idea (either accepting or continuing to converse), we compute this as “she will never go out with me” and all we do is waste hours and hours e-mailing. Why bother expending further energy on a non-starter. Heck, she may be in a relationship and “testing the waters”…

    You are busy? Guess what? I am busy too. My time as a suitor is valuable, so if you “sitting on top of the hill” with all your suitors vying for your attention and aren’t showing some serious intentions and stringing them along, you are probably going to end up with most of them closing you out because you aren’t showing serious intentions to any of them. They are thinking, no matter how charming you are or how perfect you are for each other, you aren’t going to meet her. We move to the next profile that seems to be “live” or just keep you on the back-burner and are still looking for someone else that actually will meet us in person.

    Phone conversation has not interested me for a number of years. I skip the phone number. It is just as flat and poor an indicator as the online profile. I am surprised that video chat has not caught on more. I think that you probably get more from that than phone conversation but one has to put almost as much effort into that as a date in terms of looking good/etc.

    I want to meet the person because if we are going to be in a relationship, it is about being with that person in real life and not on the phone or e-mail (although they may be components of the relationship). You probably would talk to me on the street, in the bar or wherever else, right? The guy you meet online is statistically no different than those guys in terms of being an axe murder. It is just your flawed perception that they are.

    Thus we have the standoff between men and women. Women believe they have the “advantage” and can control things by holding back. Men know this and just keep seeking other possibilities until one hits unless there is a very strong connection and in the end, everyone ends up complaining that there are no good men or no good women available. We create and mess the whole situation up for ourselves with these silly games.

    I postulate that the only ones who are winning with a “landslide victory” in online dating are the same ones that are doing the same in real life: the very attractive women who will obviously have lots of suitors no matter what or men who have a lot of money or are very handsome or charming and can attract lots of women.

    Posted 01 Jan 2012 at 11:03 am

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