My Response to OKCupid’s “Why You Should Never Pay For Online Dating”

Dated two weeks ago but published last Monday, Christian Rudder, co-founder and editorial director of free dating site OKCupid, tells us why paying for online dating is stupid. I’d like to respond to this OKCupid Blog post. Let’s hear what Rudder’s post says,

  1. Based on eHarmony’s 250 million revenue in 2009, eHarmony’s current price list and eHarmony’s audience turnover rate, OKCupid deduces eHarmony has at most 719,652 subscribers at any given time in 2009. In other words, 29 to 1 of eHarmony’s profiles are dead.
  2. Pay sites want you to message these dead profiles for them to acquire new subscribers. “Remember: the average account length is just six months, and people join for big blocks of time at once, so getting a new customer on board is better for them than eking another month or two out of a current subscriber.”
  3. Based on their experience running OKCupid, they find that “when emailing a real profile, a man can expect a reply about 30% of the time” and that the more messages a man sends per day the more his reply rate drops from around 30% to below 8%. A desperation feedback cycle causes men to message more bad matches and causes women to receive more messages from bad matches.
  4. Based on CDC stats, Match.com’s touted marriage rate and Match.com’s public subscriber numbers, OKCupid deduces that “you are 12.4 times more likely to get married this year if you don’t subscribe to Match.com. The post didn’t calculate eHarmony’s odds.

Subscriber Flowchart

If the paid model is broken, why are paid sites making more revenues and profits than ever?

Both models have been around a long time and both are flourishing. Paid search engine placement, in comparison and for analogy, is dead. Complaint websites are abundant with user complaints against paid sites, yet these sites remain above-the-law and in the black. Why?

It just means that any free site who says that “paying for online dating is stupid” is running out of marketing ideas.

I feel I have to write about this today because many bloggers and OKC fans, such as HowStuffWorks’s Marshall Brain, are getting misguided by this post.

Re: eHarmony has at most 719,652 subscribers

Estimating eHarmony’s subscriber numbers ain’t as easy as that, because

  1. eHarmony earns substantially from on-site advertising, the same as OKCupid. The $250 million also includes ad revenue and ancillary income from eHarmony’s network of sites and their syndicators.
  2. Unless a registrant pays up WITHIN 2-4 WEEKS of finishing the questionnaire, she will learn about the “$19.95 / month for 3 months” price point via an email offer. After this email we can presume that she will never buy a 6-month (~$180) or a 12-month (~$240) plan, ever. Though our polls find that over half of subscribers pay up within a week, this is enough to ruin OKC’s estimate of EH’s average monthly fee.

We will see next that many responding members aren’t subscribers, so really, estimating eHarmony’s subscriber numbers aren’t as useful as people think.

Re: 96.25% of profiles in eHarmony are dead

eHarmony stopped announcing membership numbers in April 2009, so the “20 million members” figure is meaningless. It’s easy to get their database user counts though. We’ve told everyone how a long time ago. Right now, at this moment, they have 34,217,954 user accounts.

In short order, by breaking all of OKCupid’s numbers, I’ve thrown away their estimate that “29 to 1 profiles in eHarmony can’t respond”. While I’m here, I urge you to question anybody’s estimate as well. Only eHarmony knows their dead profile ratio, and this ratio doesn’t matter anyway, because for many reasons, knowing it isn’t useful at all:

  1. First of all, a dating site’s member population is never homogenous. One’s age, gender, geography and dating preferences determine one’s dating pool and thus one’s dead profile ratio. And then how about seasonal changes?
  2. One particular seasonal event are those Free Communication Weekends. As often as once a month, eHarmony turns into a somewhat-free dating site for four days, simultaneously running a massive nationwide advertising drive. Throw your calculations away during FCWs because non-subscribers can respond, but in practice many don’t.
  3. Presuming OKCupid’s search engine is ethical and regularly clears away inactive accounts, an OKCupid search result set IS one’s dating pool snapshot at that given moment. In eHarmony’s matchmaking design, you can’t make a similar distinction. eHarmony sends you at most six matches a day, that’s your daily dating pool. Once a match is in your “Match list”, it’s never removed. So thus, between every new day, there’s no dating pool snapshot.
  4. What eHarmony can control and all eHarmony can control is whether it sends you a live profile or a dead profile. Over the years, in this blog, we’ve formed an opinion that EH’s system ignores subscription status when creating matches.

Re: you’re still looking at a paltry 10% reply rate

What defeats Rudder’s math is that he confuses how a “subscriber wall” (using his term) affects reply rate. All he knows is that if the cost to reply is $0, only 3 out of 10 messages receive replies. But does he know the reply rate if the cost to reply is $1? What about $100? $5,000?

Rudder ought to ask his friends who run paid dating sites what their reply rates are. Paid sites, for a long time now, have found the sweet spot in their pricing. (Their prices have been stuck there, by the way, in the past several years.) I won’t say their reply rate is also 30%, but let’s not just multiply an apple’s 30% with an orange’s “29 to 1″, shall we?

Re: There is a negative correlation between the number of messages a man sends per day to the reply rate he gets.

Ah, eHarmony’s Guided Communication process is panacea and is the norm. A man can initiate communication with 30 women in one hour, sending 30 identical sets of five canned multiple-choice questions.

I just want to mention this and that at eHarmony, because of the throttling, no woman receives hundreds of messages a day.

Re: desperation feedback loop

Rudder says that paid dating sites laugh all the way to the bank while their members kill each other off in frustration.

Free sites laugh all the way to the bank for the same thing.

What OKCupid doesn’t say is that free dating sites also make money out of each site visitor and how long they stay active in the site. It is also isn’t in their interest to improve their system so that a site visitor finds the love of her life within one visit of their sites. Rudder says,

If you’re a subscriber to a pay dating site, you are an important (though unwitting) part of that site’s customer acquisition team. Of course, they don’t want to show you too many ghosts, because you’ll get frustrated and quit, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re relying on you to reach out to non-payers and convince them, by way of your charming, heartfelt messages, to pull out their credit cards.

Apparently, when OKCupid replaces “draw in more views and clicks to the site’s banner advertisements” with “pull out their credit cards”, it thinks it’s okay.

Obviously Mr. Rudder hasn’t tried either eHarmony.com or Match.com himself before he went to write comparative articles about them. Geez. In both sites, unpaid members cannot read messages. In eHarmony, members have to pay and then go through several Guided Communication hoops before members can send emails. In Match.com, you can’t even know who sent you an message until you pay.

Re: More options

Rudder concludes that eHarmony’s major selling point is how many millions of members they have. Rudder claims that when people look for love, they want as many options as possible.

I disagree. Because there’s only so much hours in a day, people actually want the opposite — they want help reducing their options, they want fewer choices. They ask around for someone they can trust and then ask this expert, “okay give me the top three”. This is the eHarmony model, in ideal conditions. Proof? The startup of “eHarmony of Career Planning”, “eHarmony of Mattresses”, “eHarmony of Pets”, et cetera, in recent years.

We also spoke before about the two things eHarmony has that free dating sites don’t: (1) Massive advertising in North America and (2) 24-hour customer phone support. OKCupid asks Why You Should Never Pay for Online Dating. There you go.

UPDATE: More commentary

Matt of Strange Unlimited calls our attention to OKCupid’s very own PAID service and many other things he found bizarre about the OKC post.

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    Comments 13

    1. Fernando Ardenghi wrote:

      I tried to post an answer there, at OKCupid blog, but my comment never appeared.

      I had said that:

      1) That article only proves that paid online dating sites have low effectiveness / efficiency of their proprietary predictive matching methods for LONG TERM mating. Nothing more. Nothing new.
      There is a range convergence phenomenon between the 3 mains tools ACTUAL online dating sites can offer: searching by your own, Bidirectional Recommendation Engines and Compatibility Matching Methods. Any member receives on average 3 to 4 prospective mates as selected / recommended / compatible for dating purposes per 1,000 (one thousand) members screened in the database. They all 3 are performing the same for serious daters, with a high percentage of false positives, like gun machines shooting flowers.
      That range convergence phenomenon is what I had called “the online dating sound barrier”, in 2003, when I had discovered than problem, 7 long years ago.

      —————————————–
      2) That article does not prove that free sites are BETTER than paid sites.

      Moreover free sites are good for fun dating (instant gratifications, flirting, short term mating)
      and free sites exist to leverage paid sites.

      —————————————–

      There are several mistakes in the assumptions for eHarmony and Match.

      A) The Worldwide 2009 annual revenue for eHarmony was estimated in USD 250 millions
      [and checking traffic from its 4 different sites, I estimate 20% from Canada, 50% from U.S.A., 25% from U.K. and 5% from Australia]

      If you consider 10% of that revenue by ads, it is only USD 225 millions by subscriptions
      At a USD 40 (Monthly Average Revenue per Subscriber: MARS)

      USD 225 millions / USD 480 (Annual Average Revenue per Subscriber) == 468,750 paid Subscribers

      Perhaps eHarmony has only
      93,750 paid members from Canada
      234,376 paid members from U.S.A.
      117,187 paid members from U.K.
      23,437 paid members from Australia

      The 2010 annual revenue for PlentyOfFish ( the biggest free online dating site) is expected to be USD30 millions, more or less the same amount eHarmony could earn by ……… ads.

      Also you can use the FCW Free Communication WeekEnds (when available) to communicate with non paying members

      —————————————–

      B) At every IAC REPORTS RESULTS the IAC uses the word “Match” meaning “Personals”.
      At Q4 2002 Match had nearly 700,000 paid subscribers
      At Q4 2009 [Match + Chemistry + NetClubEncuentro + Udate + PeopleMedia communities ] had nearly 1,377,000 paid subscribers.

      Regards,

      Fernando Ardenghi
      Buenos Aires
      Argentina
      ardenghifer@gmail.com

      Posted 21 Apr 2010 at 9:56 pm
    2. john wrote:

      ditto. I posted some refuting numbers, way simpler put than yours, and it never appeared.

      Posted 22 Apr 2010 at 2:16 pm
    3. selkirk wrote:

      One can debate the exact numbers, but being active both on Eharmony and free services, it is clear to me that a LARGE percentage of my Eharmony matches have been dead accounts. Like 80%, maybe 90%. I’ve been on Eharmony for 9 months or so, received 1000+ matches, and for every five women with whom I initiate communication, at least four will do nothing at all – neither respond, nor view my profile, nor close match. After a few FCW’s and no response, I finally close them.

      Yes, free services also have dead profiles but they make them very easy to spot, either by letting you exclude them from your search or by marking clearly which profiles have been used recently.

      Posted 22 Apr 2010 at 9:02 pm
    4. Gary wrote:

      Not only are the huge majority of the matches I’ve received “dead links”, I get very few local (i.e., in my state) matches. Other people I’ve talked to have had the same experience (a woman recently commented, “I wonder if there are NO single men in Ohio?”
      Here’s my spin on eH (for what it’s worth). 1. They consider anyone who even starts filling out the information a potential match (how many matches have you gotten with minimal information and no photo?) I guess their philosophy is that those people might be lured into subscribing if there are attempts to contact them – BUT it is patently unfair to those of us who have paid to waste our time that way. 2. They don’t give us local matches because that would defeat their purpose in being – to get our money. What if we met someone local and actually developed a relationship? The sad fact is that “distance relationships” just don’t work so we keep coming back for more.
      eH sounds like a great idea – and it would be if it was managed fairly – but is isn’t.
      Shame on you eH!!!!

      Posted 23 Apr 2010 at 7:34 am
    5. eharmonyblog wrote:

      Hmm. I’d never think that the OKC blog wouldn’t publish dissenting comments.

      The dead profile ratio is extremely “Your Mileage May Vary”, guys…. If two men are the same age, same ethnicity, has the same settings and live in the same city, etc., then yes the two men can compare their experiences. Otherwise, we run the risk of discouraging readers from something that would work for them. This is just my opinion.

      Posted 23 Apr 2010 at 12:11 pm
    6. eharmonyblog wrote:

      > “They consider anyone who even starts filling out the information a potential match (how many matches have you gotten with minimal information and no photo?)”

      They have to gratify new registrants with matches right away, because nothing is as maddening as filling out an hour-long survey and then when you can finally see whom their system matched you with, you see an empty list.

      Posted 23 Apr 2010 at 12:17 pm
    7. selkirk wrote:

      Gary, I have to say that when I had set my Distance settings to local-only, it did give me a pretty good number of local matches. Nobody who interested me, though, which made me wonder whether it was compromising on match quality.

      Posted 24 Apr 2010 at 7:16 pm
    8. Scott Valdez wrote:

      I just posted a lengthy response to this post on my company’s blog. I would love to hear what some of you think: http://virtualdatingassistants.com/Blog/2010/05/12/why-you-should-always-pay-for-online-dating/

      Posted 13 May 2010 at 9:30 am
    9. eharmonyblog wrote:

      Good rebuttal, Scott. I noticed that your article wasn’t a nod for eHarmony because eHarmony still doesn’t give us a last-login date.

      I hope to hear your opinion on our other articles as well.

      Posted 14 May 2010 at 1:26 am
    10. zippy wrote:

      Your defense of eHarmony is quite feeble. I’m a paying member of match and eHarmony, as well as a free member of OKCupid and POF. Here are my thoughts:

      Match.com

      I’ve gotten lots of dates from match and 3 long term and 2 short term relationships. However, the reply rates are ridiculously low since 96% of the time you are writing to non-paying members and have no way to tell that. On top of that only a certain % of people will be interested in you anyway, so your response rate hovers in the 1-3% range.
      EHarmony

      There are plenty of non-payers here too. The response rates are higher, but the women are generally less interesting. They just want a husband. My dates have been generally boring.

      OKCupid

      This is by far, the best designed and intuitive site around. The people on it skew younger, are very interesting, but often looking for very casual interactions and are more looks-oriented (consistent with their age). It’s a good site, but after a month or so on it, my response rate is similar to match (2-3%).

      POF

      This is largely a cesspool of low quality profiles and under-educated rif raff. A ghetto site to be avoided.

      Craigslist

      This is mostly prostitutes or girls without jobs looking for free meals or a casual, STD-ridden hookup. Avoid.

      Bottom line : Set your expectations low for any of these sites. Response rates are low because the blk of the profiles can’t respond. View it as another channel, but use common sense to narow down (based on completeness and activity of a profile) who is likely a paying member so you don’t waste your time.

      Posted 12 Jun 2010 at 9:31 pm
    11. SF Gal wrote:

      As a African American single childless attractive educated artistic fit perky woman I must be the exception to the rule, WM love to date me. Very few suiteable BM in my age catagory are single so, I swirl, with excellent success. And I am over 40!

      I have had a LTR relationships with a WM that I met on Craigslist. My ad was witty many men responded I vetted them carefully, google, Meagans list, visit dating sites where chicks rate ex boyfriends … lots of info on men in cyberspace so you have to do your homework before you agree to meet them so you aren’t wasting your time with an unsuitable man.

      Had a six month relationship with a guy I met on Afro Romance, a paid site. I would not use it again, waste of money.

      Free sites, for me, are where it’s at.

      The trick of any dating site is writing a good profile and for the women, having some mystery. Quality men want to chase you.

      Take your time no need to rush to meet a man.

      Vetting is key. Do not settle nor accept less than your standard. Often we chicks just love it that a guy, any guy picked us! Take your time the first three months are only probation not boyfriend and girlfriend!

      Also I know some WM assume BW have low standards, are ghetto or single mothers and are ripe for the picking. Ha! Stereotype much? A smart hot cute fit mature perky BW is all the rage in my neck of the woods and I love being on a date with a WM and all the other WM get all big eyed and flirty.

      Just today I nicely told a WM on OK Cupid that we simply weren’t a match … we weren’t he was too superfical egotistical and freaky whereas I am long term independant and passionate … he was shocked that the BW was passing on him. Just cause he’ W doesn’t mean that he is the one for me. White male privledge is a funny thing, you guys are so hilarious when a new BW does not choseyou. Oh, and I love your cute silly hobbies.

      Oh, the stories I could tell about online IR dating.

      So for the next couples of months I am doing OKC.

      Also ladies try not to post a pic of your face only a body part like arms or legs … tell them you will send a pic after chat. Working for me so far so good. Men like mystery. I would neve EVER put a picture of my face on OKC!

      Posted 13 Nov 2010 at 9:08 pm
    12. SF Gal wrote:

      Regrets on spelling errors, clicked post button before spellchecking.

      Posted 13 Nov 2010 at 9:11 pm
    13. theserialdater wrote:

      Well said. And as recently as February 2013, OKStupid.com is cutting down a lot of the fun stuff that used to make the website “appealing”. I can’t access the profiles I visited (only the 8 more recent ones) and the website is trying to rail you on using their new project Crazy Blind Date.

      Posted 04 Feb 2013 at 9:29 pm

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