What doesn’t work with eHarmony customer service representatives…

This is in response to this post and ensuing discussion.  It has sort of turned into a “let’s rate how eHarmony customer service given what we know”.

Disclaimer:

My experience, of course, may be unique and not typical to the service but given what we collectively know about what they do and have done for others, I gave them the opportunity to play me like a violin and boy was their song out of tune.

Summary:

They failed miserably, in my opinion, given what we know about what CS can do.

Main points

  • If you have a beef with eHarmony, you HAVE to do it as a paying customer
  • They do not care if you WERE a paying customer
  • They do not even sell their service well given the golden opportunity they have an individual on the hook when you are on the phone but resort to the same tactics they use to rope in the masses

[The last point is truly an example of bad customer service practice having been on the other end and basic business 101: "the customer is always right"]

Flash back to my dilemma documented in the above thread, lots of scammers and not feeling the love for the service.  Shar got comped a month for reporting scammers, so the question was “why not me”?  A good question.  I e-mailed them my question.  I got a boilerplate response back that didn’t address my question about being comped a month and they TOTALLY ignored my questions of how to make better use of the service and feel like it was actually working for me.

So, flash forward to today.  I finally have the time and presence of mind to call them up and plead my case.  The bottom line is they will not (I’m sure that they could) extend an inactive account because it had already expired (early June).  Even if I did call them up immediately when I saw Shar got an extension, I most likely would have gotten the same response, because my account expired by the time I found out about her good fortune.

So I proceed to prod and find out what exactly can I get out of them for my plight.

What was their best offer?

“We’ll give you 2 months for the price of 1″ @ $59 per month

<laughs in disbelief>
You’ve got to be kidding me!

“Uhh, you ROUTINELY give 3 months for 1.”

Okay, we’ll extend it for 3 months.  I’m not feeling the love.  You aren’t really making me feel special.  Customer service 101.

“I see you have given 3 months for $45″
- I don’t have that promotional code to give you

“When will that code be around?”
- I don’t know.

$15 a month was tolerable.  $20 not so much for me, given I got a membership for 12 months for $155 in 2007 ($12.90 a month).

Perhaps if less people jump on the lame codes they are giving now, they will see their bottom line dropping and will start having to actuallly compete for our business.

The representative wasn’t willing to/able to do anything for me besides what their screen/script says they can do.  Being an informed consumer and that the “deal” they were giving me wasn’t really a deal, I told them I’d be shopping around.

Ruh-oh.  Red flag!  Red flag!  Customer about to jump ship!

Then they immediate cited they have 200-ish people getting married a day and how successful they are.  Unbelievable.  Reassuring me that your methodology works for others and will bring me back and convert me to a sale?  Who thought of that?

What went through my mind as she says this:

Why I wasn’t one of those people for the 1.5 years that I was a paying member?  They should be helping me to become one of those people, looking at my account settings, suggesting changes, like I’ve heard they have done for others.  I know (as an uber-informed user/consumer of their service) it is in their duties/realm to do that.  This hard-line of “pay-up” doesn’t work very well with a product that deals with emotions and the human condition.  They should be training the CS reps better or setting their scripts up to help uplift folks and gently ease them into a subscription (given that is all that they do).  Tell me what I can do differently.  Make suggestions about my account.  Even if they aren’t specific, the script could suggest if you feel like you aren’t having much luck they can ask “have you taken new pictures”?  Etc.  Etc.  Etc.  So many potential ways to improve their response.

It just didn’t feel like they were making ANY effort to truly retain/bring me back as a customer.  I’ve gotten other companies to budge on fees charged/etc. and it was their business to take/keep my money.  eHarmony didn’t “throw me a bone”.

At this point, I mentioned that I “read around” and I’m not too satisfied with the service and that not everyone is happy with the service and they sort of just brushed that aside and it’s back to their success mantra.  Well great.

Again, you should help make me one of those people. Don’t tell me about it.  Show MEWork for ME.

So, the obvious question remains: why aren’t they trying to make those of us unhappy with the service happy?  Because there is another sucker down the line willing to pay $60 for one month, their most profitable price-point.  It probably is deemed that it costs too much to bother to take the initiative, which I think is an essential part of the game of this type of service.

I want to emphasize again that this is (at least) the second time that they totally neglected the second part of my initial request (which they looked up and ostensibly read, since when I called I didn’t say anything about a freebie, I just referenced that they dropped the ball and didn’t answer my question in a prior CS incident).  The second part of my request was how to maximize use of the service, which would have been a perfect opportunity/selling point to demonstrate (show me, don’t tell me) how they actually care about all customers or potential customers.  Since I wasn’t a paying customer, apparently, the only thing they are interested in is to make me a paying customer again and not my success as a user of their service.

I played the role of a typical customer and they failed pretty miserably, in my opinion. Others may read this and think otherwise or that I’m a whiny complainer.  That’s fine but I’ve been around the block and this is my story and I’m sticking to it.

Maybe I’ll keep calling back every couple of days to see what promotion they will extend me and keep declining until it’s a promotion that is worth a darn, just to see if they catch on.  I am curious about the matches that responded after FCW but I’m having a hard time justifying to myself to spend $60 to find out, even if that $60 gets me 3 months of service.

I just got an e-mail asking to rate my CS experience over the phone.  Oh boy.  This is going to be fun to fill out!  :)

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    Comments 37

    1. annoymous1 wrote:

      Sorry, I obviously didn’t get the context.

      Posted 02 Jan 2010 at 6:45 am
    2. annoymous1 wrote:

      However, sound like eHarmony is into a lot of micro-managing their customers.

      Posted 02 Jan 2010 at 6:48 am
    3. annoymous1 wrote:

      I still feel the same about my observations about the shift in power from the customers to the reps.

      Posted 02 Jan 2010 at 6:50 am
    4. annoymous1 wrote:

      eHarmony keeps talking out of both sides of their mouth. I got an invitation to come aboard. I have tried various times to unscribe to them. I want them to leave me alone. I am tempted to pretend to be someone else but it is not worth the hassel. Sorry it gets my dander up. Here they are using there marketing team to reach out to almost everyone when they are a very selective, exclusive dating system that isn’t for everyone.

      Posted 03 Jan 2010 at 6:53 am
    5. annoymous1 wrote:

      I hit the spam button most of the message was blocked out. I guess this happens in a corporation as big as them, the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing. And that is why they do not speak in unison or one voice. Ironcially that is disharmony not harmony and so it goes.

      Posted 03 Jan 2010 at 7:55 am
    6. Linda M. wrote:

      First, let me clarify what I meant by ‘serial callers’. These are the customers who call in, get an answer they don’t like, then call back hoping to get a rep willing to put their job on the line to commit a major violation of the terms and conditions. I have seen customers who have called 30 times in a day, just hoping to find that one gullible rep who will take a chance on getting fired in order to give the customer what they want.

      I have ALWAYS treated customers with respect and dignity, even if I have to tell them something they don’t want to hear. How long would one of you listen to someone screaming profanity at you, not because you WON’T give them what they want, but because you CAN’T give them what they want. I once had a woman scream profanity at me because I apologized for not being able to refund all of her money on a product SHE broke (there was no warranty). I did offer the best option I had, which was to send her a discount coupon for a replacement product. And so, no my hearing is damaged and I’m almost as angry as she is, but I calmly say ‘thank you for calling’.

      Posted 03 Feb 2010 at 3:54 pm
    7. annomous1 wrote:

      Well is has ben a while since we debated this. If the majority of your callers or customers or this way then again maybe you need to get in another line of work. I am sure that they train you how to deal with customers who use profanity. I didn’t know quite what you meant by serial caller it didyou mean someone who called everyday, or every week or what. How can someone called 30 times a day in a 24 hour peri.oid . Unless they take a day off to deal with a problem. Who has time and would want to call a service rep once an hour. I didn;t k now what you meant 30 times a day is excessive. I wouldn’t call any rep that much unless they were electric company and they were going to turn off my electricity. I still think the power has shifted to the rep. My reason is thinking is because marketing has given customers the ideal that they need their product. And the demand is probably more than the supply.

      Posted 03 Feb 2010 at 4:57 pm
    8. annomous1 wrote:

      My objection to the serial caller thing was that if you have an ongoing relationship with a customer it seems negative to call them that. I do believe that there has to be respect on both sides. Quite frankly I don’t trust a lot of reps anyway, and I call them sparingly if at all.

      Posted 03 Feb 2010 at 5:15 pm
    9. Linda M. wrote:

      I actually like my job, and I’m very good at it. Rarely is there a customer who can ‘take me to the edge’, but we all have a breaking point. I find that I GET the best customer service when I am informed and polite, and I GIVE the best service to consumers who are the same. I make every attempt, within my company’s particular guidelines, to come to an amicable agreement with every customer who calls. The fact is that there are some people that, no matter what you do, you just can’t please. There have been a few that I could have given the moon and the stars and they’d complain that I didn’t offer the sun as well. Not everything is black and white; chances are a rep is denying your request because it is outside their sphere of influence. Speaking to a supervisor will sometimes help, the do, in most cases, have a little more leeway than a rep, but they have their limits as well.

      The old adage ‘the customer is always right’ isn’t necessarily so; a rep just has to be able to tell them they’re incorrect without causing animosity. There is usually some middle ground on which we can meet where we can both get something.

      Show me any business, no matter the size, that can afford to just give away goods or services to whomever asks, and I’ll show you one headed for bankruptcy court.

      Posted 03 Feb 2010 at 6:35 pm
    10. annomous1 wrote:

      I am not advocating give away the store. I am advocating valuing the customer. You may say you like your job However, over and over you talk about the customers who you cannot please. Maybe i am wrong but this is what I hear. I thnk , most customers are appreciative and rational and will respond in a positive manner. If they feel they are being treated fairly and valued. I guess we are not going to see eye to eye on this. One of the reps I talk to probably in banking ask me”What I can I do to make you a happy customer?” And bankers do not give away the family store.. Maybe we will have to agree to disagree on this.

      Posted 03 Feb 2010 at 7:24 pm
    11. annoymous1 wrote:

      I might add also that I think part of the break down in customer and reps relationship is the internet. You conduct business over the internet you are dealings with people you do not meet in person. If I buy a printer at Office Max or one of them chances are the sales rep will educate me about the product and the guarantees and waranties. Chances are you do not get that over the internet. What you get is marketing hype. And then disgruntled custosmers calls. Look at all the posts about the promotion codes. That is the cost of doing business over the internet, the personal costs and not knowing who you are dealing with. Just the same there should be some accoutabliity in making an honest pitch about what the company is selling and what they can and can not do. Most of the time when I do business with a company in person I feel they are making an honest pitch. And if there not I know where to find them. And so it goes.

      Posted 04 Feb 2010 at 6:59 am
    12. Will wrote:

      I have been sucked in by EH several times now, but never again. Why is it that when you don’t have a subscription they have matches for you on a daily basis but when you join, and all the matches they’ve sent you as hooks don’t pan out, they all of a sudden have nothing for you? I most recently rejoined in Dec 2009, this after a six month hiatus (the last time should have been my clue) because I’m lonely and tired of the Match.com meat market. After having exhausted all of the matches I’d been sent while not a paying member, I have received something like 3 or 4 matches in the last month and 1/2, all of which did not have profile pics. I resigned my subscription after a month and have only received one match since then. This was a non pic person 30 miles away from me. (yeah, that’ll happen…) In short, I want my money back because I paid for a service that they have failed to deliver. I’m not holding my breath in anticipation of receiving it, but I will never join again and if anyone asks, I will have nothing but negative things to say.

      Posted 06 Feb 2010 at 12:29 am
    13. Carly wrote:

      Unbelievable. I was going to try the site out again after a few years.

      Their site said, your card could not be processed and they don’t show me as a paying customer. However, they have charged my card TWICE. When I try to get a person I get some canned message about how I am missing out on the love of my life.

      Hells bells Nelly, I can’t even write to the person they matched me with because they took my money and said (and still say) they have no record of it…it clearly is on a debit to my account,

      The messages are bogus and no phone support…a great idea is going to end up in a class action suit.

      I have asked my bank to charge them with fraud based upon their emails to me saying they did not take money or process an order, when, in fact, the name “e harmony” shows up on my transactions.

      Posted 08 Feb 2010 at 9:37 pm
    14. annomous1 wrote:

      Tell the service rep that their terms and conditions state that they”make no guarantees about the ultimate compatibility of their matches.” Anyone who wants to enter a class action has my support.

      Posted 09 Feb 2010 at 3:59 am
    15. annoymous1 wrote:

      This is something I got off from Uof Houston Consumer law center. I have wondered about eHarmony. Of course any claim they make is contradicted in their terms and conditions. I do not still see how they get away with a lot of what they do.

      The Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act protects you whenever someone misleads or deceives you. This is our consumer protection law, but beware it applies to all sellers, including you when you sell at a garage sale, through a classified ad, or on the web. Don’t say anything misleading or deceptive about what you are selling. It could cost you a substantial amount in damages

      Posted 10 Feb 2010 at 8:51 am
    16. Laura wrote:

      I unfortunately in a moment of loneliness a few days ago decided it would be a good idea to sign up for eHarmony and become a paying member. Wrong move. Before I entered my card information, I had lots of matches. Afterward, I had 5, and all but one had no picture. The next morning, I tried to log into my account and was denied access. “User does not exist”. I checked my bank statement the next day and sure enough, they had already taken money out of my account. After reading Carly’s comment, I am very skeptical that I will ever get my money back or even just make all of the BS go away. I only wish I would have found this site before I signed up.

      Posted 31 May 2010 at 9:05 pm
    17. allioop wrote:

      I have joined eharmony twice now and have never received a match. I don’t have any restrictions and I have filled everything out, but it stills says only 99% finished. Very frustrating, I wish I never joined!

      Posted 01 Aug 2010 at 11:11 pm

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